Question

We need an advisor to check and update our H&S policy which is fully written and appropriate to our company. We previously paid approx. £250 every 6 months to update this and all was done via email. Please can the ceda membership recommend a suitable advisor. Thank you

Replies:

1. We use the following person who has worked with us for many years and is able to do this remotely as required:
John Sproul H&S Services Ltd, Unit 21 Brunel Building, James Watt Avenue, Scottish Enterprise Technology Park, East Kilbride, G75 0QD. Tel: 01355 268348. Mobile: 07967 626177. E-mail: john@sproulservices.co.uk Website: www.sproulservices.co.uk

2.  We use HS Direct https://www.hsdirect.co.uk/ They sort all this out and we have an online RAMS service which is great, and they can if you require complete your CHAS / Safe contractor application it costs us £6oo inc vat per year.

3.  Tim Knowles Grad IOSH, IMaPS – Head of Four Health & Safety Consultancy.
Email: tim.knowles@fourgroup.co.uk Tel: 01780 755 751.Website: www.fourgroup.co.uk

4. We use Peninsula they only do it once a year and come to site to conduct on audit. I would recommend them.

5. Melissa Jane Consultancy Tel: 07497870696 expert in catering equipment company safety.

6. We work with an organisation called Peninsula Business Services and have done for a number of years. I would certainly recommend them. Our sales contact there is Deb Mansell. mansell@peninsula-uk.com Tel: 07971 146674.
Not sure if Debs covers the members area personally but I am sure that she will put them in contact with the appropriate person.

Question

Can a ceda Member recommend a resin flooring contractor?

Replies:

1. Tech Flooring 01582 670303
2. Contact Adam Clements adamclements@acrylicon.com
3. We would recommend Milestone – I think they are based in Leeds. Sorry not in Office until Tuesday so the only contact on my phone is Nick 07718 404410
4. Try Acrylicon UK of Wyboston. Contact Barry Holden 01480 276620
5. ceda Member ‘Scobie McIntosh’ are happy to help. Please contact ‘Kingsley Donaldson’ Email: Kingsley.Donaldson@scobiemcintosh.com Tel: 0845 5040 466
6. Acrylicon are the best, our local contact is John Wilson 07535 254907.
7. National flooring in Market Deeping Lincolnshire
8. I had an email from adamclements@acrylicon.com who may be able to help. Tel: 01480 276620 www.acryliconUK.com
9. ceda Member ‘FSW Gas Services’. Contact: Frank Winterbottom – Frankwinterbottom@fswgasservices.co.uk Tel: 0161 943 0268

Question

Does any ceda Member know who makes a double door pass through refrigerator circa 1400 x 800mm please?

Replies:

1. CEP do a real big one but not double door.
2. Infrico – Two Door Refrigerated Prep Counters. MPN: BMGN1470PDC Width: 1468mm Height: 850mm Depth: 700mm
3. I believe they are few and far between and the low height could be a particular problem. We supplied one of these earlier this year, which is not too far off and they say that they may be able to make custom sizes – http://www.wealdrefrigeration.co.uk/products/pass-thru/ It was not cheap either, at £2925 + VAT and that was six months ago.
4. Moffat Scotland
5. Gram used to make 800 deep double door counter fridges.
6. Precision Refrigeration – they will supply bespoke items
7. Scobie McIntosh. Tel: 0845 5040 466. Email: scobiemcintosh.com
8. Try Gamko or Osborne refrigerators.

Question

I need to know where to purchase (hopefully in UK), chest freezers which will run at -60 for freezing sushi tuna. Your help would be appreciated.

Replies:

1. Its many years since I worked in refrigeration, but a company called Swan Environmental (think they were based in Edinburgh) used to do ultra-low temperature chest freezers.
2. Contact ceda Silver Partner ‘Foster Refrigerator’ https://ceda.co.uk/our-partners/silver-partners/Foster-Refrigerator
3. We can source low temperature chest freezers, which will freeze down to -60 C as follows: The supplier of the low temp chest freezers is Pentland Wholesale, Paul Royds 07891 490591 / 0845 6014456
4. ‘Pentland’ do 4 sizes of ‘Vestfrost’ low temp chest freezers with temp range of -30degC to -60degC. Models VT147, VT307, VT407 and VT547. Although I‘m not certain about this, I would think that the freezer should only be used to conserve the frozen product at that temperature – the freezing of fresh product presumably needs to be in an appropriate blast freezer? Fish is a high-risk product after all. There aren’t any blast-freezers I can see which take the product that low, so maybe not.
5. Scobie McIntosh. Tel: 0845 5040 466. Email: scobiemcintosh.com
6. I think Hoshzaki do one under their medical range.
7. The only place you can get those are medical distributors – I think LEC medical do them

Question

We are having some major issues with Welsh water over the use of tundish’s and  “A” class  air gaps on 20 Grid Combination ovens.
Because the drain is so low we are unable to get a tundish fitted and maintain a 50 air break above the tundish.
We have spoken in depth with Wade Drains and under floor traps but welsh water are being a nightmare.
Has any other member had issues and how have they overcome it.
We have ensured all items used are WRAS approved and they have been quite helpful   but DWR CYMRU  +Welsh water are not  helping with advice or recommendations at all..
Any help would be much appreciated.

Replies:

1. Yes, we have had similar issues in different parts of the country. The only option (if rational)  is to fit feet extension and change the trollies to match, can’t recall if rational offer any extensions to the trollies. If another brand, you will need to do something similar or speak to the manufacturer on how to combat WRAS approval, it should be contained within the specific WRAS approval special notes.
2. We recently fitted “extensions” to the oven & Trolleys which increased the drain outlet by 70mm. These accessories are Rational products. Hope this helps.
3. We have had this and we had to fit a lift pump, so the unit drained into the pump then the water was pumped up and into a tundish, you do need to fit a vent upstand pipe In the pipe run between the combi and the pump to stop air locks etc
4. Has the member considered a waste water pump to resolve this issue? By installing a pump directly to the oven, the water can then be pumped upward to a tundish arrangement which in turn can then drain to the floor drain. We use either Saniflow Sanicom 1 or Grundfos Sololift2, commercial pumps.
5. Our advice would be to have site use a floor drain and sit the drain over the drain grate this does not require a tundish, we only use a tundish on 6 and 10 grids all 20 and 40 grids would be on a floor drain.  If it is too late to fit a floor drain, then fit a shallow tundish any fabricator can make or I have seen square type tundish’s used and cut down to suit.  So long as you have the correct gap this should suffice.  Some of our engineers also cut the pipe on and angle so that the back flow cannot happen.
6. Have they considered a Saniflow type system to lift the drain water to a higher level, and then drop into a tundish at about 1 metre high. I’m sure Rational do something on these lines.
7. We have installed a number of 20 grid combis they all were plumbed into floor gully’s but terminated above the gully, so we assumed this was the same as a Tundish.
8. From experience with 20/ 40 Grid or even double stacked combi ovens with any water authority there is always a potential drain issue. The options for a compliant installation are only:
   – Install drain over a 400mm (600mm) sq/ dia trapped floor gulley- no tundish but leave pipe 50mm above the gulley cover. ( using larger dia/ sq gulley allows for catching any splashing).
   – Install a combi drain pump- with triangular paddle from 1^st choice directly to oven then it will pump up and you can then if you only have a 2” drain pop up fit a tundish and a trap to the pipe and suspend the drain pipe from the pump 50mm above the tundish.
   Respectfully trying to fit any drain cover over a gulley that has a funnel or tundish style cover will not fit under the drain pipe and give a gap as required.
9. We (Space) recently fitted “extensions” to the oven & Trolleys which increased the drain outlet by 70mm. These accessories are Rational products.
10. We have had this and we had to fit a lift pump so the unit drained into the pump then the water was pumped up and into a tundish, you do need to fit a vent upstand pipe In the pipe run between the combi and the pump to stop air locks etc. Has the member considered a waste water pump to resolve this issue? By installing a pump directly to the oven the water can then be pumped upward to a tundish arrangement which in turn can then drain to the floor drain. We use either Saniflow Sanicom 1 or Grundfos Sololift2, commercial pumps.
11. Our advice would be to have site use a floor drain and sit the drain over the drain grate this does not require a tundish, we only use a tundish on 6 and 10 grids all 20 and 40 grids would be on a floor drain.  If it is too late to fit a floor drain then fit a shallow tundish any fabricator can make or  I have seen square type tundish’s used and cut down to suit.  So long as you have the correct gap this should suffice.  Some of our engineers also cut the pipe on and angle so that the back flow cannot happen.
12. Have they considered a Saniflow type system to lift the drain water to a higher level, and then drop into a tundish at about 1 metre high. I’m sure Rational do something on these lines.
13. I had a very similar experience with Yorkshire water on a 20 grid combi oven. In the end I had to fit a Munson ring and back plate to the floor just next to the trapped floor gulley and lower it to its minimum so that there was still a fall on the waste from the back of the oven and the waste outlet being hovered above the floor gulley created an “air gap” we actually trimmed some of elbow off the rational elbow to increase the gap slightly. On our site this satisfied the water authority.
14. We have installed a number of 20 grid combis they all were plumbed into floor gully’s but terminated above the gully so we assumed this was the same as a Tundish.

Question

We are having some major issues with Welsh water over the use of tundish’s and  “A” class  air gaps on 20 Grid Combination ovens.
Because the drain is so low we are unable to get a tundish fitted and maintain a 50 air break above the tundish.
We have spoken in depth with Wade Drains and under floor traps but welsh water are being a nightmare.
Has any other member had issues and how have they overcome it.
We have ensured all items used are WRAS approved and they have been quite helpful   but DWR CYMRU  +Welsh water are not  helping with advice or recommendations at all.
Any help would be much appreciated.

Replies:

1. Yes, we have had similar issues in different parts of the country. The only option (if rational)  is to fit feet extension and change the trollies to match, can’t recall if rational offer any extensions to the trollies. If another brand, you will need to do something similar or speak to the manufacturer on how to combat WRAS approval, it should be contained within the specific WRAS approval special notes.
2. We recently fitted “extensions” to the oven & Trolleys which increased the drain outlet by 70mm. These accessories are Rational products. Hope this helps.
3. We have had this and we had to fit a lift pump, so the unit drained into the pump then the water was pumped up and into a tundish, you do need to fit a vent upstand pipe In the pipe run between the combi and the pump to stop air locks etc
4. Has the member considered a waste water pump to resolve this issue? By installing a pump directly to the oven, the water can then be pumped upward to a tundish arrangement which in turn can then drain to the floor drain. We use either Saniflow Sanicom 1 or Grundfos Sololift2, commercial pumps.
5. Our advice would be to have site use a floor drain and sit the drain over the drain grate this does not require a tundish, we only use a tundish on 6 and 10 grids all 20 and 40 grids would be on a floor drain.  If it is too late to fit a floor drain, then fit a shallow tundish any fabricator can make or I have seen square type tundish’s used and cut down to suit.  So long as you have the correct gap this should suffice.  Some of our engineers also cut the pipe on and angle so that the back flow cannot happen.
6. Have they considered a Saniflow type system to lift the drain water to a higher level, and then drop into a tundish at about 1 metre high. I’m sure Rational do something on these lines.
7. We have installed a number of 20 grid combis they all were plumbed into floor gully’s but terminated above the gully, so we assumed this was the same as a Tundish.
8. From experience with 20/ 40 Grid or even double stacked combi ovens with any water authority there is always a potential drain issue. The options for a compliant installation are only:
   – Install drain over a 400mm (600mm) sq/ dia trapped floor gulley- no tundish but leave pipe 50mm above the gulley cover. ( using larger dia/ sq gulley allows for catching any splashing).
   – Install a combi drain pump- with triangular paddle from 1^st choice directly to oven then it will pump up and you can then if you only have a 2” drain pop up fit a tundish and a trap to the pipe and suspend the drain pipe from the pump 50mm above the tundish.
   Respectfully trying to fit any drain cover over a gulley that has a funnel or tundish style cover will not fit under the drain pipe and give a gap as required.
9. We (Space) recently fitted “extensions” to the oven & Trolleys which increased the drain outlet by 70mm. These accessories are Rational products.
10. We have had this and we had to fit a lift pump so the unit drained into the pump then the water was pumped up and into a tundish, you do need to fit a vent upstand pipe In the pipe run between the combi and the pump to stop air locks etc. Has the member considered a waste water pump to resolve this issue? By installing a pump directly to the oven the water can then be pumped upward to a tundish arrangement which in turn can then drain to the floor drain. We use either Saniflow Sanicom 1 or Grundfos Sololift2, commercial pumps.
11. Our advice would be to have site use a floor drain and sit the drain over the drain grate this does not require a tundish, we only use a tundish on 6 and 10 grids all 20 and 40 grids would be on a floor drain.  If it is too late to fit a floor drain then fit a shallow tundish any fabricator can make or  I have seen square type tundish’s used and cut down to suit.  So long as you have the correct gap this should suffice.  Some of our engineers also cut the pipe on and angle so that the back flow cannot happen.
12. Have they considered a Saniflow type system to lift the drain water to a higher level, and then drop into a tundish at about 1 metre high. I’m sure Rational do something on these lines.
13. I had a very similar experience with Yorkshire water on a 20 grid combi oven. In the end I had to fit a Munson ring and back plate to the floor just next to the trapped floor gulley and lower it to its minimum so that there was still a fall on the waste from the back of the oven and the waste outlet being hovered above the floor gulley created an “air gap” we actually trimmed some of elbow off the rational elbow to increase the gap slightly. On our site this satisfied the water authority.
14. We have installed a number of 20 grid combis they all were plumbed into floor gully’s but terminated above the gully so we assumed this was the same as a Tundish.

Question

Could any of our Members recommend a good commercial plumbing company in or around Tewkesbury?

Replies:

1. Techmech. Contact: Mark via 07533 208883 or Mark@techmechsw.co.uk
2. We use a company called Techmech, who are very good. Contact – Mark. Telephone – 07553 208883
3. I have used a company called T1M. Only a small outfit with around 3 or 4 guys but they are competent. They do a fair bit for McDonalds so cant be too bad. The Owner is called – Yes you guessed it – Tim, and his number is 07971694605
4. I can highly recommend Duncan Smith – Tudorbuild Ltd. Tel: 07912 344179 Email: tudorbuildltd@hotmail.co.uk They are based in Nuneaton. They cover all my M&E work including all plumbing.  They are first class and extremely competitive.

Question

Please can you let us know which furniture suppliers ceda Members use and recommend? Thank you

Replies:

1.  Contract Furniture Specialists Limited, Units 11-13 The Quad, Sovereign Way, Off Sealand Road, Chester, CH1 4QP. Tel – 00 44 1244 398870
2. Lisa Cluer, Inside Out Contracts, 13 Nelson Road 1st Floor, Greenwich, London SE10 9JB, Tel: 020 8305 3130, Email: lisa@insideoutcontracts.com http://www.insideoutcontracts.com
3. Highly recommend ‘Boss Contract Furniture’. Contact Jon Urquhart – 07834 456812 or Kim Urquhart – 07834 456930  Email: boss2u@btconnect.com
4. I have used a company called Mauve Furniture: Cameron Robertson: sales@mauvedirect.co.uk Tel: Mob: 07739 030659. He has a great range and access to many suppliers and samples of furniture.
5. Mick Shephard of CFS. CEDABOND members – mick.shephard@cfspec.com
6. These are the two companies we have been using for many years: http://www.apex-office.com/ or http://www.acefurniture.uk.com/
7. We have found Furniture at Work to be very good.www.furniture-work.co.uk

Question

Can any fellow members please recommend a company in the North West (England) that collects/disposes used Commercial Refrigerated units and provides Hazardous Waste Notes?

Replies:

1. Cater–Kwik Ltd – http://www.caterkwik.co.uk
2. On national basis Prices Transport – https://pricetransport.co.uk/
3. Virudor do this for us and provide an excellent service
4. Harrison Carr Ltd are based in Leicester but provide this service nationwide. Contacts are Louisa Carr or Steve Carr. Tel: 0116 260 2222
5. EMR take most of ours (European Metal Recycling). I believe that they have locations throughout the UK so may be able to help.
6. Arolite Ltd offer this service to their customers so contact them for further information – http://www.Arolite.co.uk

Question

Can any ceda Member recommend an Asbestos Awareness Training course. Preferably in an on-line or downloadable format. Thank you

Replies

1. www.asbestostraininglimited.com
2. We use on-line Santia Asbestos Management Ltd – https://santia.co.uk/services/asbestos-training/e-learning Works well for us.
3. They could try the following: https://www.safetyservicesdirect.com/ I am advised you purchase the course for £22.50 and then complete it online.
4. We recommend Santia.
5. We use the following site for our Asbestos awareness training: https://www.simplecompliance.co.uk/sc-product-asbestos.phtml It’s worth paying a little extra to get the certificate at the end of the course.
6. We used ‘cloudtrainer’ however this was linked via M&S for retail projects. There are other UKATA Asbestos Awareness Training courses on line otherwise.
7. All our staff did the online Commodious courses they are recognised by all companies for H&S purposes. £10 each but do great bundle deals for £25 – £35 of 12 different certificates. They were acceptable for us registering with SSIPs.
8. We use High Speed Training for the on-line Asbestos Awareness Category A training. – it’s on-line.
9. We use our H & S consultancy company Worksafe Consultancy Services Ltd. It’s an online course: http://www.worksafeconsultancy.co.uk They have the link to training on their website.
10. High speed training do our on line courses. It’s about 25,.00 per individual, but you can bulk buy. They are accepted for all the sites we work on and you get a certificate too.
11. HSS training trainingsales@hss.com  do their own and the UKATA course for this and it is an E Learning program that takes around 1 hour to complete.
12. Hi-Speed training on line.
13. I use UKATA.ORG.UK online courses.
14. I believe a company called RESET Certification do an online course.
15. www.bainbridgeelearning.co.uk 
16. Our engineers have certificates from UKATA.
17. Our company utilises an online refresher training course that all engineering personnel have to undertake annually. The Provider we utilise for this is : Lucion Consulting ( Innov8 Risk Consultants) :Tel 0345 504 0303 if you negotiate , dependant on numbers then you can achieve a good rebate on pricing.
    Eurosafe UK offer a similiar service. Telephone no: is 01904 691 515
18. We use an on- line portal for our AA courses. This course is available to book online, alternatively call 0115 8970 529 or email training@essentialsiteskills.com to book your place or for further information.
19. We recommend www.highspeedtraining.co.uk